CNTRFLD. You studied at both Camberwell and the Royal College of Art. What drew you to the UK for your arts education, and how did those experiences shape your approach—both in terms of thinking and making?
ZCL. Coming to the UK gave me a different way to understand art-making. At Camberwell, I became more aware of material, process, and the relationship between image and object. It allowed me to move beyond photography as a flat image and begin thinking about how images could occupy space.
At the Royal College of Art, my practice became more expanded and more theoretical. I started to understand my work not only through memory or urban experience, but through perception, phenomenology, and the body. The RCA also gave me the space to test installation as a way of thinking — not just as a final form, but as a condition that allows viewers to experience something physically. These experiences helped me realise that I am not only making images. I am creating conditions for perception.
CNTRFLD. Having worked and studied across different contexts, how would you describe the kinds of support systems that have mattered most to you? And where do you feel there are still gaps, particularly for emerging artists navigating similar paths?
ZCL. The most important support has come from conversations — with tutors, friends, other artists, and people who are willing to look carefully and ask serious questions. For an emerging artist, especially one working between cultures and disciplines, this kind of dialogue is very important. It helps you understand what is already inside your work before you can fully name it yourself.
Material and institutional support also matter, of course: studio space, exhibition opportunities, funding, and time. But I think one of the biggest gaps is the lack of sustained support after education. Many emerging artists are expected to immediately become independent, but building a practice takes time, uncertainty, and failure. I think artists need structures that allow them to continue developing slowly, rather than constantly producing finished outcomes.
CNTRFLD. Your installations seem to invite viewers into a kind of slowed, perceptual experience rather than offering a fixed reading. How do you think about the role of the viewer—what do you hope they encounter or become aware of in that space?
ZCL. I often think of myself less as the author of an experience than as someone opening a door. I don't believe an artwork needs to be understood in the same way by everyone. Each person enters carrying different memories, different histories and different ways of seeing. My responsibility isn't to tell them what the work means. It's simply to create the conditions in which something meaningful might happen.
When people walk through the installation, their bodies disturb the air. The wind they create causes the suspended images to move almost imperceptibly. In that moment they realise they aren't just observing the work—they're participating in it.
If the exhibition succeeds, I don't hope people leave with my ideas. I hope they leave slightly more attentive than when they arrived: more aware of the wind behind them, of strangers passing by, of the quiet relationship between their bodies and the spaces they inhabit.
I've often thought that my work is less like a narrative than an echo chamber. You call into it, and what comes back isn't my voice—it's your own.
CNTRFLD. Where are you currently based, and what keeps you there at this stage in your practice? Does place still play an active role in shaping how and what you make?
ZCL. I am currently based in London. London continues to shape my practice because it is a city of movement, crossings, temporary encounters, and constant transformation. It is a place where many people pass through, carry different histories, and build different forms of belonging.
For me, place is not only a background. It is active. It affects how I walk, how I photograph, how I choose materials, and how I understand the relationship between body and environment.
At this stage, being in London allows me to remain within a condition of in-betweenness. I think that is important for my work. I need to be in a place where things are not completely settled.
CNTRFLD. Looking ahead, what are you working on now—or beginning to think towards next? And for those at an earlier stage, what advice would you offer about sustaining a practice that feels both personal and open-ended over time?
ZCL. I am currently thinking more deeply about perception: how we can return to the real space around us when contemporary life is filled with too much information, speed, and fragmented narrative. I have been reading Byung-Chul Han and thinking about the crisis of narration, as well as Maurice Merleau-Ponty’s phenomenology of perception. His idea that the body is our way of having a world feels very close to my practice. I am interested in how art can create a pause — not to escape reality, but to return to it. My work is not trying to change the world directly or claim a political solution. I hope it can leave people with a moment in which they recover their ability to feel the space they are already in. I often think of my work as an echo chamber or echo wall. If you call into it, what comes back is not my answer, but your own echo. Art cannot build a place for the viewer, but perhaps it can remind them that they still have the ability to build one.
For artists at an earlier stage, I would say: do not rush to define your practice too quickly. Stay close to the small experiences that keep returning to you. Sometimes the most important part of your work begins from a very simple bodily habit — walking, looking, touching, remembering. Trust that, and allow the work to reveal its own language over time.